Friday, February 22, 2013

More Huxley Than Orwell

I wish I was making up this stuff but in fact all I am doing is posting the link.

I think people with Neanderthal genetics grieve much longer and take a greater deal of time to absorb emotional insults of all kinds. It is because he/she is a small tribe animal designed for lifelong bonds, sincere attachments and genuine friendships. Emotional scars are likely to be deeper and never heal over as they do in Homo Sapiens. I think this is intimately tied in with survival in cold weather climates and smaller social groups that must be absolutely devoted to one another in order to persevere. Homo Sapiens might get over the death of a loved one in two weeks but I believe Neanderthals would definitely define a time period like that as symptomatic of some kind of mental illness for certain. If they knew a woman had lost a child to a predator or to a crack in the ice sheet and she was breakdancing and flirting two weeks later they would assume she had lost her mind.

As with everything, slower, deeper, more meaningful and longer lasting. Everything was like this with the Neanderthals. Bonds with other people were not transient affairs and there was no such thing as a disposable friendship.

I am convinced this is the exact reason that people with "Aspergers" have such a deep conviction that their own kind are "coming back to get them" for the first thirty years of their lives. They knew the Neanderthals never leave a man or woman behind, ever. If somebody was lost, they didn't move on. They camped right there, for years if necessary and searched under every pebble in a hundred mile radius until they found that missing tribal member / child / elder. They would persist in this effort until every soul was accounted for, either dead or alive. Nobody was ever willingly abandoned or regarded as a necessary casualty. To the Neanderthal everybody in the tribe was of the same worth and anybody who got lost could count on all their fellows searching for them ceaselessly until they were recovered or it was known what had happened to them.

In contrast, a tribe with several thousand people in it likely wrote off disappearances on a weekly basis. Homo Sapiens probably had the attitude easy-come, easy-go. "Where's Biff? We are moving camp in the morning. If he doesn't show up, that's his loss. We can't sacrifice our schedule for one meaningless life." Pretty transient connections to each other that were forever changing in real-time. "My kid vanished last week. He probably fell into a ravine somewhere. Ah, I can always make more. I just dumped my wife for a new young girl I've had my eye on, she is plenty fertile."


Unknown said...

Holy crap! I've had girlfriends break up with me and I was sad for more than two weeks! Everybody must be labeled mentally ill, so we can all be classified as incompetent wards of the state! Great blog, by the way, I've been reading for a while now and am probably a Neanderthal.

styrac said...

"At present, mourners can feel sad for two months before being told they have a mental disorder,"

All I can say is just, wow!

I've mentioned to you before a girl I used to know that was like this and your explanation on why she was like this made perfect sense. I wish I knew about all this stuff you write here earlier. It would have made a huge difference. Instead I chose to run away because she was the only woman I've met in my life that "scared" me and made me feel insecure, that I was not "up to the task", while being by far the most irresistible I've ever met. With all the sapiens girls I've been involved, after separation their memory lasted with me the same amount of time as Carl Sagan's posthumous fame; about ten minutes. Yet it took me more than four years to get over her, and still not completely. I was put-off by her aggressive character and bossy demeanor, despite being aware of her sensitive and vulnerable side and depth of emotions that she put in the open but I couldn't judge her correctly due to my lack of this kind of knowledge at the time.

Now it makes sense why she couldn't get over her father's death for two years, why a movie that moved her emotionally would leave her sleepless for a week and why at the office (she was a co-worker) she would be the only one able to handle the toughest and most difficult situations due to her unbelievable resourcefulness - but unfortunately it's of no use to me anymore.

It tells you a lot about how far science has degenerated when such people are "diagnosed" mentally ill.

Amy said...

Yet another wedge to drive between humans and their feelings, their families, and friends.

I am not a machine, but I know the Futurists are waiting for the day when humanity can say "we are machines."

Ever see Dr. Who? The Daleks are scary, but it's the Cybermen who frighten the daylights out of me. Daleks were made without emotion or a conscience; Cybermen were once human, robbed of all emotion and sensation in order to 'perfect' the being.

Target for drug development, indeed. If it shows any sign of humanity, kill it.

iese_83 said...

Probably true, and incidentally i saw this yesterday :

Thats that in a nutshell.

The headline of your links article was enough, didn´t read. Utterly insane !.

Paul Levinson said...

for further speculation on Neanderthal - modern human connections, see The Silk Code

Ave said...

I seize this opportunity to make a shameless promotion of the book I'm currently writing.

It looks at well-known survivalist and prepper issues from the perspective of an introverted and industrious man that has much in common with the kind of Neanderthal personalities Texas Arcane describes in this post.

On Monday, the chapters 15 to 20 will be posted as well. That would already amount to over 108,000 words published. (As a reference : Twilight has 118,500 words). I'm currently writing the 27th chapter.

The writing style is rather slow, as it takes time to describe the situations. A lot of characters are introduced, which all have their importance in the story as it unfolds.

There are some moments of action and people are killed, but you'll find more emphasis on technical aspects and some lists of stuff.

I think some readers of Tex's blog will be interested in it.


Aurini said...

This post definitely resonates with me. Despite the hardening that living amongst cromags entails, I'm always very hesitant about wounding other people emotionally. Such wounds go deep, and I can't do it to those I haven't out-grouped.

There's a song by Dead Can Dance which speaks to these themes, "The Ubiquitous Mr. Lovegrove":

I love slow,
Slow but deep.
Feigned affection,
Wash over me.

ray said...

i've not heard that bonding description applied to aspies before, but it's certainly correct (whether it relates to "neanderthals" i dont know)

the autistics relate interpersonally on a deep level rarely, especially outside their "caretaker group" (usually, meaning immediate family)

this is bc theyre hypersensitive, not bc theyre insensitive

when some establish connections, tho, it's often life-long, and they do not reliquish relationships readily

the "kanners" autistics (nonverbals) are even more fanatical, rarely accepting "outsiders" but clinging to them ferociously when they do establish friendships

the interpersonal approach and psychology of kanner's autistics bears little resemblance to neuro-typical people

the kanners do not engage in the endless dance of ok/ok constant-affirmations that NTs do, in conversation and in body and facial mirroring

the kanners are completly "outside the game" and consider such affirmations and mirroring to be . . . servile and hiveminded, i guess . . . or fundamentally dishonest, perhaps that expresses their attitude of disgust about NT communications

kanners autistics also express affection quite differently from neurotypicals, tho they do hug like NTs


Edward said...

A gram is better than a damn!