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Sunday, February 19, 2012

Coal and Petroleum Manufactured By Stars and Exist Throughout The Universe

Thomas Gold was right. Oil is abiotic. It's so simple even a Kwanzanian could figure it out by now. Kwanzanies, have you had a light bulb go off for you as of yet?

There is no need to fight over oil, one of the most abundant substances on the entire planet. This is the justification used to wage war on anyone who might even be a potential threat to Israel. There is enough in the reserves alone to last us a million years. What they lost in the Gulf of Mexico as spill could have brought the price down to .10 cents a gallon. Instead we are going for a ride on this ship of fools right down the sluice of World War III.

Instead, it is about to go through the roof. Eventually, people tend to get the kind of leadership they deserve. The kind that kills them.

25 comments:

Anonymous said...

Abiotic oil does not automatically discount peak oil theory. Reserves have nothing to do with peak oil, it has always been about flow rates (production). When Daddy Joiner hit the gusher in East Texas a typical well flowed 10-20000 barrels a day easy. You just do not find that kind of well anywhere in the world any more except five miles under water. Average Bakken well produces a couple hundred barrels a day-if that.

The Russians have had to double the amount of rigs drilling for oil the last decade just to stand still production wise. They are drilling deeper, using better tech and way more manpower. Same with the Saudi's, same anywhere in the world, the last frontier is the stuff five miles under water, and the capitalisation required to get it scares off all but the biggest multi-nationals. When BP and Exxon almost lost their five billion dollar joint venture called Thunderhorse back in 2005 there just has not been anything built to scale since.

Global oil production has plateaued for seven years straight at 73-74 million barrels a day. In the meantime global population put on another 500 million and the developing world continues to drink the industrialized world's milkshake. Real economic growth requires constant growth in energy inputs, stagnation in supply will result in the same economically, and with China now the second largest consumer it is a real zero sum game! A regression is worse, obviously. Regression makes it altogether too obvious that a thirty year mortgage will never be paid back except maybe in worthless weimar bucks. At that point its Katie bar the door.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Texas_Oil_Field

http://www.aspousa.org/index.php/2010/04/why-the-bakken-wont-save-our-bacon-by-steve-andrews-and-randy-udall/

Anonymous said...

"Global oil production has plateaued for seven years straight at 73-74 million barrels a day."

The US haven't been utilising their own natural oil resources because of environmental red tape. From what I've heard on the issue, they could be energy self sufficient if they had the political will to abolish the EPA and Department of Energy.

Anonymous said...

"The US haven't been utilising their own natural oil resources because of environmental red tape. From what I've heard on the issue, they could be energy self sufficient if they had the political will to abolish the EPA and Department of Energy."

Good resource for those who wish to be better informed.

http://www.wtrg.com/rotaryrigs.html

Scroll down and you will find that there are more rigs working in US than the rest of the world combined.

Here's another chart to peruse:

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=E_ERTRRO_XR0_NUS_C&f=M

One will note the number of rigs drilling for crude oil has quadrupled in the last couple years. While production has picked up some it hardly replaces natural production decline and/or the milkshake hoovered away by China's three trillion US dollar super sucker straw.

Notice the fifteen year plateau starting in 1970....

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS1&f=M

Again, abiotic oil does not disprove Hubbert's peak oil theory. Production flows trump reserves in economic terms as a decline in production is most certainly regressionary in the here and now. It is well known that reservoirs given time will fill back up again to a degree but never flow like the first day it was tapped. If they don't flow you can't have growth, if you can't have growth you regress, if you regress the whole house of cards called the global fiat currency backed by debt backed by fractional reserves (or vice versa) ponzi scheme implodes because the complete lack of faith in future returns has banks, business and billionaires sitting on their cash cuz growth is not possible. At this point the light turns on and you realize why guys are forking over $15000 an acre for Illinois farmland and Apple has the biggest cash horde ever.

Quarter section farmland= 160 acre solar panel.

Anonymous said...

Oil is only a temporary energy resource. I have heard that underneath Arabia run HUGE veins of Jewels and Gold.

Perhaps that will be the next source of energy somehow?

Anonymous said...

The warships docked in Syria after all along with Russian warships. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/21/world/middleeast/iran-warns-us-over-syria-as-crackdown-intensifies.html

Anonymous said...

They were talking about increasing sanctions on Iran last night to try to get them to sell oil to UK and france again and urging Israel to wait for the sanctions to take effect before taking pre-emptive action.
But if Iran is ready to go then what would they care about sanctions? How sanctioned are they going to be after launching an attack on Israel or wherever takes their fancy? Bwahahaha!

Texas Arcane said...

Abiotic oil will not stop the coming war over resources. I never said it would.

I am claiming that all of this conflict is completely brought into existence by Homo Sapiens character and is considered the only solution to this problem because of Homo Sapiens character.

Smarter and more adaptable people would have built nuclear plants thirty years ago. Smarter people would not have let the greenies stop them, either.

The real root of the tree of evil is that modern people in the West are stupid. When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem seems like it is a nail.

If average IQ were 104 like in 1955instead of 97 in 2012 the 'Stain, you would not see any of this happening. It would all appear to be complete idiocy starting with the election of nobody-person like Barack Obama as President.

'Stainia. Makes. No. Sense.

Anonymous said...

"The real root of the tree of evil is that modern people in the West are stupid. When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem seems like it is a nail."

More like unfettered capitalism and politicians who can be bought is the problem. Alternative forms of energy and smaller, more energy efficient cars were bypassed in favor of the oil and coal industries reaping in the bucks and the auto industry choosing to sell gas guzzling SUVs instead of smaller cars.

AUSSIE said...

The kwan is going to see this new phase of Middle East war blow back full throttle into their fat behinds! This is inevitable there is no0 way back now!

Anonymous said...

Thomas Gold tested his abiotic oil theory and concluded:

Gold stated, "It was not coming up at a rate at which you could sell it, but it showed there was oil down there."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gold#Drilling_in_Siljan

Perhaps the formation of oil is of a different origin that mainstream geologists claim, but so far, abiotic oil remains commercially unviable.

If it costs more energy to extract oil very deeply in the mantle, then abiotic oil is a shibboleth.

Consider how natural gas has dropped in price in recent years. That's thanks to hydraulic fracturing (ie: "fracking") which is causing some controversy with some environmental groups. But it's uncovering previously untapped reserves.

True, the big oil companies certainly place barriers to entry from any potential competitors. But it's simple supply and demand (the latter being driven by the growth of China) that's really at work here. Oil production in recent years has only gone up in tiny increments, unable to keep up with the growth in demand.

The gusher in the gulf only proves that the ocean is what's left to explore for great untapped reserves.

Our modern civilization is built on oil. Perhaps I am biased, being that much of my livelihood and investments are tied to oil (a good bet so far), but the only way to remain economically viable in this world is to possess a skill or commodity that the world needs.

Texas Arcane said...

8:12 PM

Your reply is all about being unable to see the woods for the trees.

At the beginning of a civilization, the smart vibrant people who inhabit the society are in the business of solving problems.

At the end of a declining civilization, the last men try desperately to conceal problems.

Do you know why they just ignore or hide anything that is wrong from themselves and others?

Because they are not bright enough to fix these things anymore. It becomes too painful to contemplate these things and they try hard to blank them out of their consciousness. Things don't get repaired. Stuff goes to hell. People try to keep smiling and act like they've got it all under control when in reality there is blind animal panic at all the things they don't seem to have any control over.

Trust me, I work in the IT industry and I see it everyday, every place I work. People who will never have the natural aptitude to be software developers or be successful at producing solutions go through huge cycles of sophistry and solipsism all designed to conceal the fact they just can't do it. Most sites I go to, despite the simplicity of .NET and Visual Studio, they usually manage to turn it into a tangled nightmarish skein where any progress becomes impossible. This is no accident. It is a product of who and what they are. This is the reason failure rates have gone up, not down, the past 20 years in IT.

We are where we are because of who we are. Not because of this trivia or that detail or this or that "bad break." This is what people talk about in the third world ... it is always because of "bad breaks" they have open sewage pouring into the streets and no clean drinking water. "Bad breaks," you see. A guy named Bob stole the infrastructure fund, etc. etc. etc. it is all about excuses. Successful societies don't need to make excuses.

Texas Arcane said...

... and the reason there is no oil is no innovation in finding it for the past thirty years.

There was always plenty of oil. It just stopped bubbling out of the ground like the Beverly Hillbillies. That doesn't mean it isn't there, it means you have to have a society with an average mental age above eight if you are going to get at it. Fat chance nowadays.

Texas Arcane said...

Most people do not understand what is being talked about with a seven point shift in the Bell Curve.

You are talking about fundamental shifts in the character and quality of the whole civilization when you speak of a 7 point change in fifty years. This is not something that can ever be recovered from. It is a fatal trend. Our society was never designed for people with an average IQ of 97 and cannot be sustained by such people.

Anonymous said...

Tex, none of what you're saying has anything to do with the idea of abiotic oil being a sustainable form of energy.

You made a claim that was shown to be false so now you're mumbling about IQ and bell curves. Man up and take your medicine!

Anonymous said...

Tex 5:17 AM

"At the beginning of a civilization, the smart vibrant people who inhabit the society are in the business of solving problems."

I believe there something more than the drop in to IQ that is brings about the collapse of civilizations.

It it is the loss of the idea of the soul and of religious idealism that was able to give rise to great civilizations in the past and from which our current one suffers. I believe it is only when this occurs that tradition starts to shrink, and civilization becomes an enigma to those who inherit it.

What seems to bring about this situation is the break in continuity between a people and their tradition that occurs in sceptical-materialistic oriented civilization phases like our own. They opt for a simplistic, animalistic mode of existence and the resulting psychic deficit is even more apparent in their descendants who fail to understand their tradition. At the same time this tradition that is no longer understood and therefore incapable of further development, persists only in outward forms, perpetuating the illusion that culture has reached its peak and cannot be further developed. That explains why post-modern consumer units have neither nature nor character that they can develop but only "image".

I somewhat disagree with you on the praise of early stages of civilization as ideal. Early civilizations are pretty much like late period declining ones in the way that very little makes any sense, life is cannot rise above the tribal and people resort to the purely ritualistic and totemic in order to hold themselves together and maintain a basic level of cohesion. Of course the barbarian has a huge advantage in being open minded, virile, alert and optimistic compared to the man of fossil civilizations who is equal in ferocity but can only bring self-destruction when in possession destructive weapons he is no longer able to restrain from using.

Texas Arcane said...

7:50 AM

You don't think abiotic oil is a subject related to the general drop in intelligence.

You're living proof of what I am talking about.

100 years after it became our prime fuel source, Western people don't even understand what oil is or where it comes from. That, my friend, is terminal stupidity.

Anonymous said...

"You don't think abiotic oil is a subject related to the general drop in intelligence."

Again, you're dodging. Abiotic oil is not a sustainable source of energy, so your claim that it somehow negates the idea that our oil resources are finite is incorrect. We do have a finite amount of oil we can harvest relative to our consumption.

The above has nothing to do with IQ, though I suppose you will simply disagree and claim superiority and wave your hands in dismissal rather than refute any of it.

Anonymous said...

First poster here.

It is quite possible that abiotic oil is indeed a sustainable energy source, just not at population levels we now have on earth, unless we sacrifice standard of living, ration and give up on the pro-growth dogma. I think the high IQ germanic and nordic countries can manage this and still possess a quality of life making life worth living. The Kwa not so much....

Anonymous said...

"There was always plenty of oil. It just stopped bubbling out of the ground like the Beverly Hillbillies. That doesn't mean it isn't there, it means you have to have a society with an average mental age above eight if you are going to get at it. Fat chance nowadays."

Which is why the oil sands in Northern Alberta, Canada (where incidentally, I live in close proximity) are commercially viable when oil is over $100 a barrel.

Obama didn't reject Keystone for any high-minded environmental idealism. Pipeline expansion to the gulf would have increased the number of buyers/customers in Asian markets for the oil. The current pipeline mostly reaches Illinois (Obama's home state, coincidentally) and Oklahoma where they can get away with paying $10-$15 less than world market prices because that's the only place that Alberta oil can currently make it's way to.

As the gushers decline, so did the West. It's no coincidence. Where one barrel of oil in energy was needed to extract fifty in the good old days, you're getting 3-4 barrels for every barrel of energy needed to lift it.

The West became lazy and stupid with easy oil. I'm not sure how you can overcome human (or sapiens) nature in that regard. If the oil resource was more difficult to extract from the get-go, perhaps we would have engineered a more sustainable society that didn't take it for granted.

Texas Arcane said...

Those whom the gods would destroy, they curse with abundant natural resources. Jane Jacobs was writing about this very thing.

It makes you lazy and stupid if you have something others want to buy and it is obtained easily by just breaking the ground with a shovel or running a surface pump.

Every nation in history with abundant resources has ended up a backwater toilet over the long run because it was a crutch they leaned on and when people abandoned this one thing they had (whale oil/fir trees/basalt) they found that they had nothing to fall back on whatsoever. It causes centralization of all efforts on one narrow delivery of exports/services.

If people switch to Thorium reactors, Australia will be like the lower Congo in ten years.

Anonymous said...

I've got to agree with Tex. Look at mineral usage throughout history. Our first ancestors could have simply picked up what would be valuable ore and minerals off the ground, without effort. Soon that was cleared. Then came efforts to dig, which became mines, etc. You can still have hundreds or thousands of years of viable mines. Technology and innovation is what gets you there. With the right knowhow it is cheap and easy to do all manner of things that would be very difficult or impossible to our stone age ancestors.

We have not progressed as we should have. Instead we've sat still and got fat on the efforts of those who came before instead of keeping the effort going to ensure a better future for ourselves and those to follow.

This is why renewables are still so primative and hopeless (who cares about that "thinking" stuff, we can just kick back and relax, bro...no need to invent anything any more...)and there are people scrambling to try and patch over the energy shortfalls because they didn't build coal or nuclear plants decades ago when they should have started building them.

We've lost that revolutionary drive, slowed down to a gradual evolutionary effort of simply polishing and refining what was given to us and soon even maintaining this will be too much, if we allow it to go that far. Genius is what we need. Genius expands and redifines the boundaries of our capabilities and knowledge, the rest of humanity simply work with what was given by the geniuses of the past, tweaking and maintaining it as they go, while often claiming to be the gatekeepers and masters of all human understanding (you only need to look at how the genius in society and even science is often treated, with the fawning and scrambling second raters rushing to catch up and make up when they are exposed).

I think the only escape for humanity is for it to start working on that revolutionary drive and genius that let it get to this point. Tex feels that things have been left to rot and slide for too long to be able to shape it up in time before it tears itself apart or has to be removed completely, like a bad tooth left to rot. I'd hope he was wrong and it can be saved, but he might be right. We'll probably find out either way in our lifetimes as the resources become scarcer with no alternatives or relvolutionary life line in sight.

Anonymous said...

@9:35

"Again, you're dodging. Abiotic oil is not a sustainable source of energy, so your claim that it somehow negates the idea that our oil resources are finite is incorrect. We do have a finite amount of oil we can harvest relative to our consumption."

Again, you don't understand. You aren't listening. You're so busy trying to "score points", bicker and nit pick over things that you are missing the big picture and all the main issues. Stop trying to "win" arguments on the internet with Tex and others and try learning.

This and all your other posts have been answered or have answers available on the blog and its links or comments.

Tex and others here are talking about how people think and the big picture. You are stubbornly arguing about a single brushstroke on the canvas. It's the big picture and thinking that matters. That is what will save or damn mankind.

Anonymous said...

Germany and Japan long ago proved that it's people, not natural resources which counts. When the quality of your people decline you're screwed.

Texas Arcane said...

This is why I think Jane Jacobs was such an amazingly insightful person. Instead of just enumerating what resources/products a nation had and concluding this is what determines success or failure, she saw instead that none of this matters. It is the people who live there that make it or break it and the best of those people have to congregate in the cities to reach critical mass and truly push the society forward.

If you have ever read Julian Jaynes "Origins of Consciousness in the Bicameral Mind," her writing dovetailed perfectly with Jaynes insistence that humans cannot concentrate properly without monolithic structures to focus their energies and time management. It is the clock tower, the pyramid and the town square where all the real action occurs with human beings. It doesn't actually matter too much at all what is available locally as a resource. Where the talent is there, they will invent resources and products where other people only saw wilderness and rocks beforehand.

Anonymous said...

"humans cannot concentrate properly without monolithic structures to focus their energies and time management. It is the clock tower, the pyramid and the town square where all the real action occurs with human beings."

Isn't that what the black monolith in 2001 was supposed to allude to as well? A sort of collective rally/reference point before the development of individual consciousness pointing to overseers or "gods" without whose guidance humans would have never left the caves?

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