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Tuesday, August 30, 2011

Yawn - The Usual Trajectory For Gun Control

Those of you who have been reading this blog for any length of time may know I have been predicting the unstoppable increase in drive-by shootings in my original Australian city, Sydney, since I moved away from there with my family back in 2001. My expectation of this was a driving force behind our relocation. I must have effaced a thousand sneers when I told people in Sydney that someday soon their city would be like Central Los Angeles with a continual background chatter of gunshots in the evening and a never ending stream of bodies to be discovered in the morning. I told them this was a natural product of the gun controls brought in by John Howard in 1997 and that the only thing that could ever reverse this trend would be to restore the same rights to arms that Australians had possessed for the previous two hundred years beforehand.

Ordinary people are really, really stupid. They're almost unbelievably stupid. I already know what the counter-reaction will be, the increased legislation, the desperate attempts to write things on pieces of paper to affect the real world and other associated exercises in the ongoing failure that is the smoking remnant of Western civilization. The truth about police states is that they are the types of societies where everybody is extremely well armed except the law abiding.

You can't legislate human nature. If the criminals believe it is likely they are the only people with access to guns, they will drive along at night firing indiscriminately at the homes of their enemies. The only proposition that can restrain the basic human psychology behind the drive-by shootings is a widespread ownership of arms in the general community. It lifts standards of behaviour for the worst elements in the gene pool when they realize that just having a gun doesn't make you anything special and can get you quickly killed for brandishing it anywhere.

But don't take my word for it. You Australians really believe you know what the hell is going on. You just continue with your cyclic repeating historical foolishness that you are completely oblivious of. Try putting more restrictions on gun ownership. Just because it has failed a thousand times in the past couple of centuries is no indicator of future performance. You've gotten them out of the hands of the law abiding, you just need to get them away from the criminals with more laws. Good luck with all that.

Shocking. I wish the mothership would give me the return signal already. This planet is a drag and the inhabitants are mostly morons.

33 comments:

Anonymous said...

"This planet is a drag and the inhabitants are mostly morons. "

Yeah, it is. Fortunate that a few are beautiful & sweet, Otherwise we wouldn't want to live here. Like any neighbourhood, it's always ruined by the idjits.

Texas Arcane said...

Too true. There's beauty in the world and in others, however rare.

Anonymous said...

"the only thing that could ever reverse this trend would be to restore the same rights to arms that Australians had possessed for the previous two hundred years beforehand. "

There was no crime of this kind, when Australia was overwhelmingly White and guns were legal.

We only got this crime when non-White immigration was forced on us, without a popular vote or discussion being allowed as it was forced on all White countries.

I remember Americans that came to Australia in the 1980s, saying Australia felt safe, like America used to be, 30 or 40 years ago.

Well that was before civil rights and the US borders being opened to non-Whites, without a vote or discussion being allowed.

Massive non-White immigration is Demanded of all White countries and only White countries. It is genocide for White people. The left and those that support this policy, are guilty of genocide. End of discussion.

"the desperate attempts to write things on pieces of paper to affect the real world"

Nations are not made of paper.

This crime is non-whites, doing what comes naturally. They do this in their own countries and Australia like all White countries, has chosen a third world future - a Brown future.

I was surprised you didn't mention the casino in Mexico Tex. When was the last time you heard of a criminal gang, killing 56 people in a casino in a White country?

"If the criminals believe it is likely they are the only people with access to guns, they will drive along at night firing indiscriminately at the homes of their enemies."

If you take firearms away from law abiding citizens, only the criminals have guns.

Anonymous said...

Or we could simple take all guns away from everyone including the police and then we would all be safe. All that remains is the political will to do so. Unfortunately the crazy tea party and right wingers think we can be safer if everybody is like dirty harry. Such logic.

- socialist and unashamed

Anonymous said...

an american preaching about gun laws? you have got to be kidding mate. GO home then... ohhhhh wait you came here to leave your shameful country... congrats on being a complete idiot :)

Anonymous said...

"Or we could simple take all guns away from everyone including the police and then we would all be safe."

The Left in Australia now want to ban hammers, because non-whites are beating people to death with them.

So what are you going to ban after hammers in order to feel "safe", retard? lol


Communism/Socialism/Leftism is the idea that "intellectuals", should rule the world. If anyone objects they called them anti-intellectual.

Would our resident socialist troll, please define "intellectual"?

***************

The whole history of Communism is that it has been brilliantly, expertly SOLD but, once in power, it is a disaster which, if it were not so horrible, would be funny.

The actual Soviet economy was a horrible joke, planting summer wheat in winter (killed millions in the Ukraine -> Genocide), setting glass quotes by the pound so that it came out in useless thick slabs, then by the square meter so thin that it shattered as soon as they picked it up. Because America had a hula hoop craze, the Soviet Union produced millions of hula hoops, all if which ended up in warehouses.

But at that time EVERY SINGLE PAID SOVIET EXPERT was declaring that the USSR was rapidly gaining on the United States in per capita income, just as NOT ONE SINGLE SOVIET EXPERT predicted the fall (No, the one you heard about didn’t, either) of the USSR.

Which means that the left was very good at weeding out those who got paid as “Soviet experts.”

Outside of the University of Chicago and the University of Virginia, the latter of which was “cleaned out” by a new liberal dean, every economics department in America and especially in Europe declared that the Soviet Empire and the Chinese economies were advancing by leaps and bounds.

I saw those figures in the official UN statistics under “Centrally Planned Economies.”

After it fell, all economists admitted that

>>>>>the maximum size of the Soviet economy was about half that of the Netherlands.<<<<<

Anonymous said...

- socialist and unashamed
It is uninformed emotional comments such as yours that has pointed this world in the direction we are currently heading ....to hell ....
instead of making emotionally based one liners such as "right wingers think we can be safer if everybody is like dirty harry" be intelligent and give us a reason why removing "all guns" from "all people" will work.
Also please tell me why you have the right to take my sport away from me? I shoot harmless paper targets and on occasion I have been known to shoot those innocent, & defenseless steel plate targets. Please don't respond if you are going to go the route of an emotional response, I much prefer to discuss subjects with rational people.

Anonymous said...

"Or we could simple take all guns away from everyone including the police and then we would all be safe."

Criminals by definition do not obey the law and will not give up their guns. Therefore if you take guns away from "everyone", only the criminals will have guns.

Nice repeater for when you are talking to a lefty, stupidity enforcer. They aren't very intelligent, so you have to repeat basic common sense to them, over and over and over and over, until they get it:

If you take firearms away from law abiding citizens, only the criminals have guns.

If you take firearms away from law abiding citizens, only the criminals have guns.

If you take firearms away from law abiding citizens, only the criminals have guns.

Anonymous said...

We should also take away knives, bats, metal pipes, judo, tae kwon do etc.

And combine the genes of sheep and man. Now that would help.

Anonymous said...

"Or we could simple take all guns away from everyone including the police and then we would all be safe."

That only works if you eliminate all machine shops and chemical plants; guns are not particularly complex.

Come to think of it, that's what's happening in the "service economy" West. We'll see how that turns out.

Anonymous said...

The right are not law abiding people they want to resist reasonable regulation. This world would be a much better place if governments were allowed to order peoples lives for them since they are clearly not capable of doing it themselves. Australia is headed in the correct direction with proper control of all arms and armaments, once again yanks will come here to escape their lawless country and complain about the law here.

When the laws are passed as needed people will obey the law including laws against killing with guns. Its so simple people even you yanks should be able to understand. We need to halt immigration of stupid yanks who want to block their government from doing what it needs to do to protect them.

- left and unashamed

Anonymous said...

"- left and unashamed"

Left and too provincial to be ashamed:


If you take firearms away from law abiding citizens, only the criminals have guns.

If you take firearms away from law abiding citizens, only the criminals have guns.

If you take firearms away from law abiding citizens, only the criminals have guns.

Anonymous said...

Same story with the carbon emissions trading scheme. All the government here is trying to do is provide for some rational management of resources and protection of the climate and we have our own version of the tea party in Aus trying to stop good governance in action. Its another reason we should not let everyone vote when idiots like these can vote.
- socialist and unashamed

Anonymous said...

- socialist and unashamed

You a quite simply a TROLL, you got a few bites so you are probably a half reasonable one but being a good Troll doesn't change one major (if not the most important)thing.... that you are either an ass hat or dick or both.

Anonymous said...

"- socialist and unashamed"

For your own sake I hope you're just a troll. No one of actual intelligence and wisdom (emphasis wisdom) would believe such sinister tripe.

On a related subject, you can't go past the words of someone who knew sinister Communist strategy from the inside.
I.E., the outspoken socialist will be one of the first to face the firing squad :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpODYhnPEo


- deadman.

Anonymous said...

"- socialist and unashamed"

"- left and unashamed"

"- socialist and unashamed"

"Its another reason we should not let everyone vote when idiots like these can vote."

Obvious troll, is obvious.

Anonymous said...

Do you think if they make murder and theft illegal it will stop too? Maybe the Big Brother lovers should get right on at and petition the government to make it so.

Anonymous said...

You are all just afraid of logic and rationality like all right wingers and conservatives. If you would stop to consider you would realize you are standing in the way of the government which could solve almost all of our problems if it were allowed to pass the correct legislation.

The Pilgrim said...

I have to think this 'socialist and unashamed' dude is a troll.

I have socialist leanings myself, and I've never said things like 'certain people shouldn't get to vote'. That's the way elitests like Bill Maher talk. It's exactly the opposite of what true socialism is about: it's for the people, by the people. Socialist democracy is the only true socialism (and the only true democracy).

That said, Tex is wrong about gun control. He seems to be forgetting that in the 1930's, well before 'socialist' gun laws, mobsters were having little wars in the streets of Chicago and New York. Or the wild west when sociopaths like Billy the Kid could do whatever they wanted, unchecked. Other people being able to own guns clearly didn't make a lick of difference to the likes of Billy and Capone (couple of white folk, I might add).

Or the riots in London, for a modern example, they were bad but how much worse would they have been if all of the rioters had guns?

This notion 'if you make guns illegal only criminals will have them' is only a problem if the society is already criminalized. In other words, if you have a society which favours being a criminal then your society has already lost, regardless of any laws they make.

Might as well just adopt anarchy at that point. I mean, why stop at gun laws? Seems arbitrary. In fact the whole argument seems completely ass-backward.

What about "Thou shalt not kill"? 'If you make killing illegal, only criminals will kill.' Duh, ya think? You guys are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 22.

Anonymous said...

Don't feed the troll guys. Whatever Tex says he'll always say the complete opposite, just to get under your skin. Stop feeding him and he'll find some other blog to troll.

Anonymous said...

obvious troll can't be any more obvious.

nobody with that level of fatal stupidity could even find their way unaided onto this blog.

run along nitwit.

Anonymous said...

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"Would you consider yourself to be a member of the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered) community?"

Notice how the question is put forward not in a manner that suggests neutrality over the issue, as for instance would be a "what's your sexual orientation (Hetero/Gay/Bi)" question, but in a way that actually seeks and encourages the applicant not to be heterosexual.

It is all done to "increase diversity and to "give individuals more opportunities to express their diversity"

Kwan edjumification.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Elmhurst-College-to-Ask-About-Sexual-Orientation--128378348.html

Anonymous said...

Shootings are on the rise because there are more guns floating around, not because of laws or racial mixing.

Do you think the black communities of the 1950's were rife with shootings? They weren't any more than the white communities.

It's not a race thing, folks.

And Tex, if you want to leave, can't you just burrow underground? What's holding you back?

Texas Arcane said...

I think I know who the "unashamed" troll is. It's likely somebody who only recently got a link to this site that I worked with on the Gold Coast for a short while. This guy was a rabid sheeple who always preached maximum submission to government at all times, it is like a religion to him. I think a co-worker gave him this url and he is continuing the commie diatribes formerly reserved to our lunch breaks. This guy sounded like Lenin he was so far left I thought he would fall into the sea at Perth.

Texas Arcane said...

A popular notion derived from watching movies that there are "more" guns around now than in the past. In fact, there are less. Availability of guns has nothing to do with crime. If it's not demographic then why does demographic analysis tell you exactly what the crime rate is anywhere on the surface of this planet. You tell me the demographic and no other information, I can predict the crime rate to within 1% accuracy before we turn the page and check on it. That means it is a demographic relationship.

Texas Arcane said...

This one did give me a good laugh, though. I almost spit out my coffee.

"Do you think the black communities of the 1950's were rife with shootings? They weren't any more than the white communities."

Are we talking about *this* planet or Hollywood movies?

Even in the 1920's the citizens of New York thought that Harlem should pay more taxes, not less, because of their requirement for more morgue space and the huge toll on the police to provide the manpower to patrol it at night. You are correct about one thing, though - back in those days most of the natives liked to stab, not shoot each other, a kind of assault with a higher fatality rate. Harlem had an informal policy of confiscation of concealed knives by police without charges being placed many decades before the rest of New York city.

Anonymous said...

Anon 438

I'm US, live in the thick of it in high-crime urban zone. It's not generally legal to be out running around with, or brandishing weapons. But to have the positive means of self defense, particularly at home or at one's business is hugely important: a basic human right.

How this is regulated is a fair question: but the right remains. It's not so much a number of weapons, as it is the vicious attitude of some criminals, who are not swayed much by a pleading argument, yet are completely undone by the use of a defensive weapon.

A previous Anon brought up something about govt solving problems: ironic, I've called cops on neighbor intrusions, and the once cops killed the guy in 10 minutes. Or the victim has to do it (kill 2 robbers in a parking lot, spend the day at the police station getting his story check, then released and his weapon returned to him). But, really, do not trust too much the govt as saviour. It may be legal for them to apply deadly force, but the supervisory-political-power-pins are less responsible and less honourable than you or I (I estimate).

We might agree, that pistols are too dangerous for me. Pistols in the hands of excitable or irresponsible young men tends to drive up risk. Alternatively, long guns are good for defense at home in an emergency, we might disagree. A golf club could be used too.

In my particular city, the black communities in decades past were rife with shootings; just the stats. Sadly, it is worse since the demise of the black family from socialist programs. I live in a strongly mixed area and amongst all black areas, and get on fine with most everyone. It's indeed not the larger population causing any trouble, but there are some very dangerous groups and bands, mobile and loose, and believe me, they can get all sorts of weapons illegally.

It is a good thing (generally) to have an armed citizenry to thwart the depredations of harsh criminal attacks. Out in public, it's a good thing to have some of the more-responsible citizens armed and regulated. This is in addition and more numerous than regular police, who are not everywhere when needed (and sometimes and places that they shouldn't be).

I've often thought that the left-right model of politics was diversionary and inadequate. You'd be surprised how 'liberal' and accommodating is a 'right-winger' who lives and works in a troubled urban area. And you'd be surprised at how 'conservative' and pragmatic a 'left-wing' business owner in a blighted urban area becomes.

Anonymous said...

"It's exactly the opposite of what true socialism is about: it's for the people, by the people"

PC/Socialism/Communism/Marxism/Liberal are just more BS names for the same thing and that is Leftism.

As someone has already pointed out, Leftism is the idea that "intellectuals" (the academic community) should rule the world.

Well they got their chance to rule China, Russia, Eastern Europe, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, etc.

All were spectacular disasters on every measure, from human rights, to economics, as well as science (Look up Lysenkoism and what they did to the people of the Ukraine).

All were oppressive police states, that murdered their own citizens in the 10s of millions, just to maintain control and to stop people plain getting up and leaving.

You don't think they built all those walls and put sharp shooters on top of them and created all those minefields, to keep illegals out do you? lol

No one wanted to live in Soviet Countries and I mean no one.

And no Soviet country ever created anything, that anyone outside a Soviet Country, ever wanted to buy.

"I've often thought that the left-right model of politics was diversionary and inadequate."

Diversionary is dead on.

Without the Respectable Right propping up the idiots and clowns on the left, the Academics would have fallen in a screaming heap long ago.

The Respectable Right are well paid Political Correctness enforcers in this system and they have to be removed, just as much as the "intellectuals should rile the world" crowd.

You don't think the lefty controlled media, lets the Respectable Right on the MSM, unless there is a symbiotic relationship do you?

They sure don't let anyone else have a say, unless they want them there and they are serving a specific purpose.

Left and Respectable Right, are the establishment. They are two sides of the same coin.

If people knew how deep this rabbit hole goes every White nation on planet Earth, would shut down in protest.

As for this "socialist" guy, he overplayed his hand with that left and unashamed crap.

From now on, I advise everyone not to respond to him, because I don't believe he is socialist at all. Just respond to the grown up comments. Trolls shrivel up and die, when no one feeds 'em.

Anonymous said...

If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them.
if you DON'T outlaw guns, outlaws will STILL have them.

What does an outlaw do when he thinks someone may have a gun? He adjusts his tactics and method. It doesn't matter if you carry open or covert, or carry at all; criminals, if they want what you have, will find a way to take it.

While you have that heavy piece of steel and polymer in your pocket; you feel safer and better protected, right up to the moment that you get whacked from the blindside by a crim who is 1/2 an IQ point more cunning.......

Anonymous said...

@September 1, 2011 12:55 AM
"What does an outlaw do when he thinks someone may have a gun?"

Outlaws have X-ray vision now? lol

If you take firearms away from law abiding citizens, only the criminals have guns.

The Pilgrim said...

"Well they got their chance to rule China, Russia, Eastern Europe, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, etc"

I notice you only list totalitarian 'socialist' nations (as if tyranny and capitalism have somehow proven to be mutually exclusive).

What about Canada?
Sweden?
Switzerland?

I'll say it again: democractic socialism is the only true socialism. AND the only true democracy.

America shows us what happens when you try to mix a democractic political system with a capitalist economic system: plutocracy. Popular opinion seems to be that this is purely a modern problem in America, but it goes all the way back to its very roots.

The only thing which has made it tolerable is America's prosperity, which was largely built upon slavery, indentured servitude, and abuse of other nations' resources.

America's chickens are just now coming home to roost. Capitalism reaps what capitalism sows.

Socialism is an evolutionary economic theory. Forced socialism, like in the USSR, was destined to failure. You can't force a society to be socialist any more than you could force a chimp to walk upright or a dolphin to be a land-mammal.

When a society is ready for socialism, socialism will arise within that society, through a true, unfettered, gradual, democratic process--NOT through dictatorship or elitism. Capitalism will not disappear over-night, rather it will fade away, generation-by-generation, like a vestigial appendage.

Anonymous said...

"What about Canada?
Sweden?
Switzerland?"

Socialist? What nonsense.

I live in a "Socialist" nation and they vote in Socialists, until they run the country broke. Then the people panic and vote in respectable conservative capitalists to save them.

Seesaw, seesaw... furious activity going no where.

And why assume I am Capitalist? lol

All economic theory is a proven nonsense, from this basic fact:

All brown countries are poor, unless White people discover oil under their feet and are paying them a fortune for it.

The only system that has ever held homogeneous European nations back, on every measure, is Communism/Socialism/Leftism - Rule by Academia, so I hate them with a passion.

Leftists are proven idealistic clowns. Everything they have ever done has utterly failed. They are the greatest threat to civilization, we have ever known.

Leftists want an ideal world, and Demand reality conform to their fantasies. They are unable to cope when reality doesn't conform.

The others I hate vehemently are Respectable Conservatives, because they prop up the Academics and their allies.

Sandal wearing Leftists come up with their hair brained schemes, which no one takes seriously. Respectables argue with them "intelligently" for a while, until word goes out that, "the argument is over, we have already discussed that".

Then Respectables, if they want to remain employed as such, "change their minds" and become advocates and enforcers.

So it is Respectable credibility alone that gets Leftist, clownish policies, accepted by the populace.

There is big money in being a Respectable. It is a billion dollar industry and there is a lot of competition to become one.

The only way out of this vicious cycle, is to point out what utter fools the Left and their Respectables are.

You are complete and utter fools and you should not be taken seriously. You should be tarred and feathered and run out of town!


As for Capitalism, it is failing in the USA, because the USA is not a White country anymore. They chose a third world future, when they decided to turn into another Brazil.

Sorry Academic idiots, reality says,

All Brown countries are poor.

Until you face reality, it is going to keep kicking your ass.

Perhaps we can agree compromise and separate?

You can have your idealistic third world future, in the brown countries you want to create and we'll have our first world White one?

But I'll bet you won't allow that, because you are an intolerant, idiotic, anti-white lefty. lol

You will continue to suppress discussion of this issue, by calling anyone that disagrees with you, racists and naziswhowanttokillsixmillionjews.

The left always try to suppress discussions they don't want to have, but reality says suppression of important issues, ALWAYS leads to violence.

Anders Breivik is proof of that. Lots of dead lefty kids.

It will get worse in the future. This issue is coming to a head. You leftist idiots are going to have to deal with reality, one way or another.

Anonymous said...

So, wait-... Cleve, you're saying that:

Australia will turn in LA drive by shootings etc precisely because we DON'T have unrestricted gun access like LA does?

U r a Dumb shit fuck fag.

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