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Wednesday, August 3, 2011

Many Early Christians Just Plain Made More Sense

For every heretic they burned, the Catholics incinerated many ideas which presented a far more coherent and less pagan notion of Christianity. It took centuries before Calvinism was able to recover many of these ideas.

Note that a believer who truly put his faith in scripture would instinctively know many things his church does are simply wrong. Think about how much more reasonable it is to call Mary "The Mother of Christ" as opposed to "The Mother of God." That is simply more accurate according to scripture itself. Mary gave the world the Logos, the link that enables God to communicate with humans, Jesus Christ. She didn't give birth to God. The Catholic Church is full of things like this and nobody in it has ever cared enough to reform these doctrines. If a man had the Holy Spirit, he'd find his way to these conclusions but a merely religious person never would.

The slavish devotion men show to their particular sect nearly always exceeds the faith they are willing to put into the scriptures themselves. Why would a person trust in these things when one's church will tell us what to think on these subjects? Fortunately, the "Church" in Christianity is wherever true believers are gathered and not invested in some secular institution that claims authority because they wear cones on their heads or sport magical wands with paganist symbols at the end. I was raised a Catholic and I assure you that although almost all Catholics will not hesitate to put their trust in their "traditions," you would rarely find a single one of them who would put his trust in the Lord instead. How many cardinals does the Lord have? That's how they'd feel about it.

Rather than choking on some doctrine, it is better to eschew the inside of all churches and enter into heaven on nothing other than Christ's vouching for you. That is all you need according to scripture. If every man on Earth tried to bar the door, if Christ were to open it for you then you would enter inside.

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

Except the church doctrine is the only true one and has withstood pathetic attempts such as yours to give credit to heresies for two thousand years.

Nestorianism is another failed heresy that undermined the doctrine of salvation. If Christ was "two" persons then please tell me which one died on the cross? If we assume it was the human one then belief in Christ doesn't lead to salvation and cleansing of one's sins.

You've been exposed as a blasphemous poseur. You don't even understand the concept of the Trinity or basic theology. Well I guess that's a prerequisite for abandoning the real faith and adopting a kosher heresy like Calvinism. Christ WAS God incarnate and not some loser working in customer service to listen to your pitiful complaints. The fact that you stated that Mary was not the mother of God makes your blasphemy even more detestable. And it is YOU who exchanged the word of God for the words of men.

Learn about it before you dare to get back to me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

Anonymous said...

In the first century, Christianity originated as a pagan religion of sanctified pederasty.

It's quite plain in Philemon, with the gay joke about a slave boy being "useful."

That first century sexual ritual continues today with the priestcraft.

Historian Diana Agorio has documented it all in her book Sex Rites: The Origins of Christianity.

http://ancientmeme.blogspot.com/2010/06/excerpt-from-chapter-6-roman-sexual.html

Anonymous said...

Calvinism: Rich people are blessed by God and true christians don't have to do good on earth. It is as if the pharisees themselves reinterpreted christianity.

*Yawn*

Tell me again how this heretical baloney "saved" christianity. If you calvinist whinos are so blessed, how come you are openly accepting sodomites in your church now? Why do I see a rainbow flag on the local presbyterian church? How come every majority calvinist country is a buttfucking themepark with celebrated red light districts?

That is what happens when a bullshitter feels he has what it takes to break and forget two millenia of religious tradition starting with Simon Peter and Paul of Tarsus, whose authority was given by Christ himself. Love it or leave it, the catholic and orthodox churches are the original churches founded by christ's disciples.

Tsk, you call yourself after a jerkoff like Calvin and abandon the true church of Christ. You believed a little man who pulls down his pants to shit knew what christianity was all about and named yourself after him. "Worshipper of persons" indeed.

Anonymous said...

Amen brother. Too much "religion" and not enough Christ these days (and in days past as well). My wife grew up Catholic and saw through it as an adult. It kills me that my brother and his wife (she's Catholic) are formally "joining" the Catholic Church this month. I don't get it. Nowhere in the scriptures do I see a command, or even a suggestion to "join" a Church. Then there's all that help'n the Nazi's stuff back in WW2...

Anonymous said...

Concerning the doctrine of predestination, Jacob Boehme (who was a Lutheran, not a Catholic) called its followers "the Harlot's brats" and its preachers the "Masterbuilders of Lies" and "Handmaidens of Satan". Deceivers who pervert God's truth and turn it into lies. You have the audacity to say that God has concluded His creation, that evil existed for all eternity and therefore Man was predestined to live therein, except for an elect few.

This means that it is you Tex, who follows the Babylonian self-worshiping religion of Nimrod that wishes to replace the order of God with that of Man.

Anonymous said...

"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?" - John 14:9

Apparently this Scripture means nothing to you, right Tex?

Anonymous said...

A lot of angry Catholics here (or one VERY angry Catholic), who don't seem to understand what Calvinism is or is not.

Anon 7:29- I think you've misread what Tex is saying- at no point did he say that Christ was two persons. As Calvin points out in his [i]Institutes[i] (Book 2 Ch. 14) Christ is one person with two distinct. co-existant and unmingled natures. The Logos, the second person of the God-head, fully God, took on the nature of humanity and became fully man, whilst still retaining his divine nature in full (eg. Phil 2:5-8). To therefore state that Mary was the mother of God is in error. Jesus himself stated "Before Abraham was I am," (John 13: 58) both declaring his divinity (assuming the personal name of God "I AM" or YHWH) and his pre-existance. It is a physical impossibility for a mortal woman to give birth to a pre-existant god. She gave birth to the incarnate Christ, the dual natured God-man, who through his deity has the power to forgive sins and live sinlessly, and through his humanity be the perfect sacrifice and propitiation for our sin.

I know the Wikipedia article on the Nestorians uses the word "persons" but thats just a poor choice of words. A better one would be"nature"- cf http://www.nestorian.org/nestorian_theology.html

Anon 10:39- The text at that link discusses Roman sexual practices, then implicates 1st Century Christians by association. The link is somewhat tenuous, especially since Christians were regularly persecuted for precipitating the decline of pagan temple attendance and prostitution (cf. the Paul's injunction against Corinthian temple prostitution- 1Cor6:14-20)

Anon 10:42- You don't understand Calvinism. Churches that embrace homosexuality are not Reformed. They're synagogues of Satan. I'm afraid you've been deceived by the signs on the doors.
Christians are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, the 3rd person of the Trinity, which gives us the ability to understand Scripture. When you have God Himself interpreting His Word, all you need to do is read it to understand. You don't need "priests" to interpret for you.

Anon 12:33- Jacob whatshisface can say what he likes. Paul of Tarsus may know a little more:
Romans 8_28-30-

"28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who[i] have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified."

and Eph 1:4-12

4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he[b] predestined us for adoption to sonship[c] through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will ...
11 In him we were also chosen,[e] having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12 in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory.

Anon 12:43- See my answer for Anon 7:29. Jesus Christ has two natures in one person.

-L

Anonymous said...

L 5:35 AM

When St Paul says "called according to purpose" the call is universal and those who respond to the call are acting "according to purpose". The call is persuasive not a compulsory one. God chose to give Jacob the birthright but it was Jacob's actions towards answering the call that enabled him to take it. It works two-way. The human action is important, but of course not enough itself to fulfill God's plan without grace. Sitting passively on a notion that God has already divided the bad stock from the good leads one to be either conceited or resentful. St Paul's famous saying in Rom 9:16 :“it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy" doesn't urge one to abandon all effort because he will not be granted grace, rather than that all the striving and achievement are not your own and their source of impulse is God. Although God's "elect" were supposed to be the Hebrews and He send His Son for them, He didn't exclude anyone becoming part of the elect. Although targeted at a specific ethno-religious group, anyone who would answer the call would become part of it. The result was that the "elect" rejected Christ, while "the call according to purpose" was answered by the Gentiles. And it is them who became the new elect. Believing to predestination by grace alone, as Calvinist denominations do, leads to believing that the Jews are still God's ONLY elect, favored even over those who answered God's call by accepting Christ, and we all know where such beliefs have lead. To Chrissans worshiping Jews and Israel.

What amounts to the preeminence of the elect is faith, virtue and the free will to answer God's call. Everything depends on God in the end but not in such a manner that our own free will is hindered. And as much as actions cannot produce the desired result without grace granted from God, so believing in grace alone without effort produces nothing.

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