Sunday, October 28, 2007

Food Rotation For 2012 Completed

All the food originally packed in 1997, the year the first Vault-Co web site went up, has been rotated out of Firehold Alpha, Silo One and Firehold Bravo. I found upon inspecting it that 90% of the food packed in that year is still edible and may even retain some nutritional content. Rice, powdered milk and sugar appear to have indefinite shelf lives when packed correctly. I suspect the new frontier is in rolled oats, which are a superb survival staple. I am betting that rolled oats in mylar with oxygen absorbers will last twenty years if stored at the correct temperature.

This new stock will not even be inspected until after the year 2012 passes and it is likely it will not be rotated until 2017. I expect by that time World War III will have come and gone and these staples will provide food during a long period when little food of any kind is available topside. Even if the Permaculture Lab is not operational then, there will certainly always be some limited fresh produce available from sprouting tubs and small rootstock gardens no matter how much of the Hive is functioning.

There's probably enough food in the drums in the photo above that combined with some supplemental canned goods could support a family of four for about six months. The large drum in the middle of the photo has enough freeze-dried meals in it to last four people 30 days by itself with no more preparation than hot water.

I am having to eat some of my MRE stock because I don't trust it ten years out. Some of it has already gone a bit flat and funny tasting with time. MREs are overrated for more than a decade but freeze dried food can last much longer at cool temperatures and low humidity.


Anonymous said...

Nice! What are you freeze drying?

Anonymous said...

Also, what sort of stove are you using for cooking? I'm thinking about going with a lightweight alcohol stove - which are typically used by hikers, mountain climbers and the like (some nice reviews here:

They're durable, easy to store, and so cheap that one could buy a cache of these things using pennies they've found on the sidewalk or in between couch cushions. The one you're currently using is damaged? Scrap it and get another from storage - no need to worry about complicated repairs which may or may not be possible during a SHTF situation, as with larger, more expensive stoves.

The only problems I see are heat output and alcohol storage. In order to cook decent meals for extended periods of time one would have to store an exorbitant amount of fuel.

So, are there better alternatives out there?

Texas Arcane said...

I have bought three of the cheap camping stoves that run on butane cans and purchased nearly every accessory you can use with them, including the oven, toaster, pressure cooker and basting trays. I have about 140 cans of butane (a clean, non-toxic fuel safe to use internally) in ammo cans.

In addition I bought a pretty expensive, high end alcohol burning camper stove and maybe thirty or forty cans of catering methanol (the new enviro-safe kind). The stove I bought is described as "all-fuel" although I've never tried anything in it but alcohol or methanol.

I have used both of them in previous drills and the biggest problem with both of them is the water vapor and heat they give off during use. Without power exhaust it builds up quite rapidly in a small space. This is why I think whatever your shelter's internal configuration, you have got to have one exhaust devoted purely to venting hot air from things like this. Currently the one in the blast shelter is used primarily by the air conditioner, but in Sparkgap I am planning to have a double baffled 150mm PVC exhaust with a 90mm bottleneck that has either a blast valve fitted on it or else a raintrap watertight valve like the one in the blast shelter.

Although it's not very efficient, it's always possible as your final fallback to use a 12 volt kettle to boil water and then pour it into an insulated cooker or directly into freeze dried meals.

All the freeze dried meals I have at present are Mountain House in breakfast, lunch, dinner and snacks. I even found some ice cream and apple pie in this brand. My son and I did some tests, pretty good food out of a bag on nothing but hot water. The breakfast is particularly good.

andyboots37 said...

You guys are anticipating WWIII like a couple of boyscouts waiting to go camping. Would you guys be like really bummed out if millions of people weren't incinerated so you couldn't use your new, totally cool Coleman products?

It inevitably will happen, there's no doubt about that. Maybe it's time to take a serious look at your disposition towards it.

You are to pitied if you're putting your hope in your own resources rather than the Son of God.

Neither is there salvation in any other name, save the name Jesus Christ. Acts 4:12

Andy B

Nuclear Powered Games said...

I know I have my faith in the Son of God, and that nothing I could do would make an ounce of difference in the coming Armageddon spoken of in Revelations, but I also know that people have wrongly called Armageddon in the past, and in so-doing may have neglected to prepare for certain lesser, man-made scenarios - so what the survivalist prepares him/her self for is any situation short of that one.

The man who takes responsibility for the well-being of himself and his family, and prepares for worse times ahead, probably won't be particularly worse off than anybody else come Judgment Day - but would certainly be in better standing for your lesser historical events such as say Hiroshima, War Rationing, Cyclone Tracy, LA Riots, Hurricane Katrina, Peak Oil, the coming US recession/depression, etc. without any terrible inconvenience to himself, financially or otherwise, by having been prepared in the meantime.

I see survivalism and a faith in God as entirely compatible with each other. God gave me a functioning pair of hands and a small modicum of wisdom to put them to use in looking after myself and those under my care.

Anonymous said...

For a man who does not prepare for the welfare of his own family, he is worse than an infidel (non-believer) and would be better thrown into the sea with a millstone around his neck.

andyboots37 said...

Point well taken.

Most of the calamities you mentioned are but a pin-prick in relation to nuclear holocaust though.

Sometimes you just have to say,
"Father, into Your hands, I commit my spirit"

:)Andy B